What is that annual display of bigotry and violence over the 11th and 12th of July in Northern Ireland really all about?
It’s our tradition, going right back to when and why the Orange Order was founded! As Orangemen at the Battle of the Boyne,
our forefathers got rid of arbitrary power and we will not accept it now – never
The Orange Order DID NOT EXIST in 1690
It was founded by Protestants after a battle at the Diamond in 1795.
The Orange Order was, and is, a wonderful, Christian organization
Nothing Christian about that regalia. Am I supposed to pander to your self-delusions about being a Christian body?
You’re a loyalist Protestant supremacist association dedicated to anti-Catholicism.
You welcome anyone into your ranks as long as they’re not associated with Catholics, apart from killing them in some cases.
I don’t know where you get all these false ideas from
Encyclopedia Britannica says you’re an “Irish Protestant and political society”
Here’s one example of what they mean. When the Orange Order risked being denied access to Obins Street in Portadowm the ‘Parade Action Committee‘ and the ‘Ulster Clubs‘, threatened major disruption.
They were fronted by Portadown Orangeman Alan Wright, Peter Robinson,
and Noel Little (later arrested in Paris in for organising loyalist arms shipments from South Africa). These leaders organised a parade through Portadown by a shadowy loyalist paramilitary grouping, the ‘Ulster Resistance Movement‘.
What else have you to complain about?
In 1815 Sir James Mackintosh . . . .
He’s dead and gone long ago. Who gives a fuck?
said the marches were an annual insult to the people of Ireland, that they were “a libel upon the memory of King William”.
“This was the only instance in the history of nations where a minority of conquerors continued to insult the people of a country through a series of ages down to the present period”
What would he say today if he knew they had continued for another 200 years?
Anyway, the twalfth’s been re-branded as Orangefest. It’s now a cultural, family-friendly event. Tourists are welcome.
No it isn’t, The Twelfth is the same as it’s always been – violent.
Just like we’ve seen over the past couple of days.
Look at this
On February 22nd 1796 Colonel Craddock, who had been dispatched to take control of the Armagh militia, testified that
“The conduct of the Orangemen, or Protestants, was atrocious to the highest degree; and that their persecutions of the Defenders or Catholics should be resisted and punished with the whole force of the Government”
The Twelfth parades of the early 19th century often led to public disorder, so much so that the Orange Order and The Twelfth were banned in the 1830s and 40s
In 1835, with the Orange Society in mind, the House of Commons petitioned the king to abolish societies that were secret and that excluded persons on the ground of religion.
Anyway, THE FIRST TWELFTH on July 12th 1796 was a joyous occasion
No it wasn’t. It was an act of intimidation. It was picked as the key date to provide an alternative attraction to Bastille day (14th July)
It was a direct response to the efforts of Lord Gosford to put a stop to Orange outrages against the Catholics and was staged to intimidate the magistrates and the Governor of the County.
Gosford himself estimated 1,500 men in Orange regalia marched in military formation into the grounds of his estate.
In 1815 Judge Fletcher made the following observations in his address to the Grand Jury of Co. Wexford on August 18th:
“Orange Societies have produced the most mischievous effects …. They poison the very foundation of justice; and even some magistrates, under their influence, have in too many instances, violated their duty and their oaths. With these Orange Associations I connect the Commemorations and Processions…producing embittering recollections… and I do emphatically state it as my settled opinion, that until these associations are effectively put down and the arms taken from their hands, in vain will the North of Ireland expect tranquillity or peace”.
You’ve always used your ceremonial swords to kill and intimidate.
What are you talking about?
In 1815 Orangemen returning from Middletown attacked Catholic homes at Cruskeenan and murdered a Catholic man named Patrick Grimley with ceremonial swords and a pistol
Witnesses said Smith was leading the march on horseback and encouraging the Orangemen to attack Catholic bystanders; that when Grimley was attacked Smith charged in shouting,
“Cut down all Papists – men, women and children” and struck him on the head with his sword.
PSNI officers confirm they were attacked by ceremonial swords
You were formed to maintain the Protestant ascendancy in Ireland in the face of rising demands for Catholic Emancipation – and the Catholic people of Northern Ireland are still trying to emancipate themselves from you.
I don’t want to listen to this sort of stuff.