Why are we even talking about Joint Sovreignty? We’re Unionists. We don’t hold with this sort of talk. It stinks of sell-outs and Lundies
We are discussing this because the number of electors voting for nationalist parties in the North is very close to the number voting unionist. Do you really expect London and Dublin to tell these people who have been denied their full nationality for 90 years
“Hard luck! we can’t upset one of the most, unreasonable and perverted political ideologies on the planet? Northern nationalists have to be catered for and they aren’t about to give up their identity for you or anybody else.
They can choose now, can’t they? British
or Irish passport.
What more do they want?
If the Stormont Assembly had worked the way it was supposed to you might have had a point. But it doesn’t. Even today the DUP changed their mind about supporting the Maze project.
Stormont costs a lot of money for very little output
There will never be a united Ireland.
There will be no Joint Sovreignty
Why not? Because you say so?
Be reasonable. Joint Sovereignty is a way forward for all moderates.
It will please Nationalists. It is a step forward for hardline Republicans and a final compromise for hardline Loyalists.
Even the police said
“We urgently need a reappraisal of the societal and political challenges facing Northern Ireland if we are to prevent an annual near-collapse in law and order here”
What does Joint Sovreignty offer?
A way to cope with divided and even dual loyalties. You can be loyal to the Irish state, the UK or both if you want to cherry pick from each.
How would it work?
Dublin and London would both be responsible for dealing with local NI issues. Two Secretaries of State
would be working together for the benefit of all the people here. Sectarianism would no longer be a political issue. As a sociological problem, appropriate measures could be taken to deal with it.
What are the advantages?
Stormont would be scrapped,
saving the UK a lot of money, some of which would obviously still need to be spent on administering the Joint Sovreignty arrangements. But a lot would be saved.
What about our MLAs?
Out of a job!
MPs could decide if they wanted to take their seats in Westminster or the Dail.
Maybe we would need new local elections.
Or maybe not – the main Parties are quite clear on where they stand on the issue. Alliance and the SDLP might have to make a decision one way or the other.
Be realistic!We aren’t going to like it. And we’re the majority.
Either you learn to accept it as a great many will or your children will slowly seep away towards the ‘motherland’.
You will not listen to me. We will never live under a Dublin administration in any shape or form.
And?
Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right
We will demand the UK Government compensates us for leaving our homes and setting up elsewhere.
You must be joking
No British citizen can demand government help for relocating relocate from one part of the UK to another. Or even from the UK to Canada or Australia.
People change jobs, move to another part of the country and emigrate to commonwealth countries every day of the week. They pay for it all themselves unless their new employer offers some help in a relocation package.
Any other objections?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23706899
http://www.elianor.net/groupe.php?mode=view&id=1
http://www.nisra.gov.uk/Census/2011_results.html
http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/tintoretto/the-massacre-of-the-innocents-1587
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