Ulster Protestant Coalition’s Submission to Dr Haass: “It is imperative that . . .”

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Dr Haass at work

Former UK prime minister Sir John Major
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has said he has no sympathy for loyalists who
claim the political process is eroding their British identity.

I think it’s a phantom fear,” he said.
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Will Dr Haass agree?
He is probably wading through the submission from the Ulster Protestant Coalition (almost 10,000 members, who proclaim “our voice will be heard” )

Let’s look at what they want.
NB Disclaimer: all punctuation, grammar, ambiguities and errors in syntax are they’re (there, thar?) own a loan

The 16-page letter to Dr Haass opens with The Flag
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Comment. Halt right there, Dr Haass
We as a community group, will not agree to our nation’s flag being negotiated away, there are no monies, promises of investment or forums that will be agreeable
UPC advice to Dr Haass: Wear your national flag on your lapel on a daily basis

Comment: How come you never thought of this, Dr Haass? This will really help you resolve the issues in Northern Ireland.

The Past
A long tirade against Noraid’s roll in gun-running (denied by Noraid) and Mr Michael Flannery (acquitted in a US court in 1982).
Comment:Here’s a picture of their argument.
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The US “government fully allowed this organisation to operate unrestricted and through there fundraising aided and abet it in the murder of incident civilians
Another long tirade about Senator Ted Kennedy
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Comment: All this is really going to endear them to Dr Haass, USA citizen and diplomat
Tirade about the 1970s Arms Trial etc, with claims that the Irish Govt formed, armed and used the PIRA for financial profit. Report cited which “what not penned by the UPV. But it demonstrates the involvement of the Irish State and Irish business and need to be recognised and resolved within this process”
Comment: Good luck with understanding that Dr Haass

On history
Observing history is like looking upon a painting from a great Impressionist master. It is only when one step’s back and views the whole blend of colour that it’s true form can be understood”
Comment: They no there/they’re/ thar art history

On the Civil Rights movement
The Civil Rights plan was, as Emanon McCann (Q.anyone ever heard of him/her?) related it “a simple one” – “a conscious, if unspoken, strategy was to provoke the police into over-reaction and thus spark off mass reaction against the authorities
Comment: It was all Themmuns fault, a dastardly unspoken and unwritten strategy. Work away, Dr Haass, with no evidence of anything but the mindset of the UPC.

The UPC want a series of “official public apologises
From Martin McGuiness

To the families of all victims and all those who served within the British Army, UDR, RUC, NI Prison Service, Garda, Irish Prison Service
From the US Government
that have publically allowed member of congress to openly support a terrorist organisation, namely PIRA
From the Irish Government
For the roll played in supporting PIRA and other Republican terrorist group
UPC also want a full public inquiry “to establish the exact roll of Dublin in the Troubles and a process of evaluating how much remuneration should be paid to Dublin’s victims in Northern Ireland’s killing times”

Comment:I am getting curious about this “roll” myself. What service did the unfortunate people of Dublin do to deserve a payment of money, salary or bonus? Just be in the wrong place at the wrong time? And what about the Monaghan victims? Sorry you don’t count

Our Culture
Comment:By no means original work from the UPC. Compare and contrast http://www.docstoc.com/docs/163697542/Hass_Letter__Public_
with the Orange order Website
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The 12th is described as a “cultural extravaganza”
Comment: Talk about self-deluded. They should all read https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/northern-ireland-how-much-do-your-obsessions-cost
To justify Orange Order parades the UPC cite other parades – St Patrick’s Day in Dublin and New York, Mardi Gras in New Orleans, 4th July in the USA and Bastille Day in France
Comment: They don’t seem to grasp the difference between a 1 day parade once a year and 3,000-odd parades in 6 months, with 500 on the 12th alone. Let’s hope Dr Haass has a good maths teacher on his team!!
They want their Lodges and bands to be allowed to parade on the Queen’s Highway
Comment: A stretch of isolated road could conceivably be renamed the “Queen’s Highway” and they could parade up and down it to their heart’s content

They also want the hospital and prison towers at Long Kesh/The Maze
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to be demolished because they don’t want the peace centre there. It can go in the Titanic Quarter or the Old Crumlin Road Courthouse
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Comment: I do wish the UPC would try and keep up! The hospital and part of the H-Blocks are currently listed buildings, and would remain as part of the proposed site redevelopment. The Courthouse is a Grade B+ listed building.Social Development Minister Nelson McCausland
is planning to spend £12 million on re-roofing and basic refurbishment of the ground and first floors for a combination of uses such as office space, performance space or cafe, parking etc.

They insist Sinn Fein promote peace and development at interfaces while it is imperative the Protestant community and its culture is respected.
Comment: The day is long past when the UPC can tell Sinn Fein or anyone else what they have to do. Imperatives no longer exist. The Empire is long gone. Respect has to be gained. Talk about self-deluded and self-inflated. But we knew that, didn’t we?



Dr Haass At Work In Northern Ireland

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What about a new NI flag?”.
What might a process to design and validate a new Northern Ireland flag look like?
What role might such a flag play in civic life
We’ve already got two warring flags
If we had more flags we would only need more lamp posts and more bonfires.
Don’t want any flags. I have never seen or heard any good reason to fly a flag on a public building, at a sports event or anywhere else.

Simplest solution – Both flags under joint sovreignty/governance
Our two Secretaries of State
will soon sort out this flag dilemma nonsense

PS You may need to click to animate cartoon


No Mr Larkin, Never, ever, ever ?

You said yesterday Dr Haass “thought the scale and the intensity of the reaction was instructive”. What happened?
He was confronted by angry Kate Nash, whose brother William was killed by British paratroopers soldiers during the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre.
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She urged him to reject any notion of an amnesty because the main beneficiaries of any amnesty would be those who perpetrated State killings.
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How can there be an amnesty for murder?” she asked.
you get treated this way for almost 42 years by the justice system. There was no police inquiry back then as such, and then they drag you along all those years, all that campaigning, and then at the end of all that they are going to tell us, ‘Let’s draw a line under it all
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What are they trying to do, draw a line under victims, draw a line under my brother? We are not going to let that happen,” she said.
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said victims were “entitled to justice irrespective of the lapse of time“.
“This would amount to a blanket amnesty and the SDLP do not believe that this would be acceptable.”The international view, also held by the United Nations is that general amnesty is not the correct way of proceeding in a post-conflict situation.

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What did the DUP say?
Peter Robinson was resentful.
The Attorney did not make either the Deputy First Minister or myself aware of his comments. The first knowledge of what he had said came to us from the media,”

Ian Paisley,
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now Lord (Paranoia) Bannside, suggested the Attorney General’s call for a de facto amnesty for Troubles killers might be a “convenient smokescreen”.
Such an unsought ostentatious outburst of opinion, about which no one claims to have known the slightest thing, and the entire furore it has caused, is perhaps a convenient smokescreen for what really is in the pipeline with the Haass process.”
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He’s quite right. The idea that the Attorney-General could take this into his head without consulting the First and Deputy First Ministers is stretching credulity to breaking-point. His proposals have to be linked to the Haas talks. Everybody knows that the big issue is how we cope with the past.
Well, Dr Haass did hold discussions with Attorney General John Larkin on the 22nd November, two days after he released his proposals.
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Mr Robinson saw “no merit” in Mr Larkin’s suggestions. He said he was completely opposed to the proposals.
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In other societies they don’t say ‘we’re not going to go after murderers anymore because the years have passed by
Jeffrey Donaldson
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” would strongly object to the notion of an amnesty, we’re very clear about that.”
TUV leader Jim Allister

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was “appalled and angered”.
“Mr Larkin is not advocating amnesty for everyone, only for ‘trouble-related’ crimes; thereby endorsing the terrorist propaganda
,” he said.

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Nigel Dodds
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asked the prime minister about the “very worrying statement.
I can reassure [you] that the government have no plans to legislate for an amnesty for crimes that were committed during the Troubles.”
Now!! What about in the future?
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Hywel Francis,
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Chair of Parliament’s joint human rights committee
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described Larkin’s remarks as “at best unhelpful and at worst offensive”.
”They seem to have been made without recognition of either the natural rights of victims for justice or the international framework in which the UK and the Northern Ireland Governments have to operate”

“The European Convention on Human Rights and other international treaties bind the UK and its devolved governments to certain rights and duties. Accepting John Larkin’s proposals would go directly against these.”
Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny
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I think this (Mr Larkin’s proposal) would be in contravention of human rights. People have internationally a right to know. They have a right to find out and where (members of) the state were involved, there must be an investigation. Clearly this is a matter of international human rights… and if the hand of justice points incontrovertibly following court cases to individuals then justice has to take its course.”
John Dalhuisen,
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Europe and Central Asia Director at Amnesty International agreed the proposal was a blanket amnesty.
It would be an utter betrayal of victims’ fundamental right to justice. Such a move would fly in the face of international human rights standards and perpetuate impunity.Victims are too often already being let down by flawed investigations into past human rights abuses and violations. Today’s proposals from the Attorney General would be a further betrayal for many victims in Northern Ireland.

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Strangely enough our lovely SOS
has already said “The Government does not believe that selecting a further series of cases for public inquiries is the best way to deal with the past in Northern Ireland.”

Another dissonant opinion is expressed by Auxiliary Bishop of Down and Connor, Donal McKeown,
I think what John Larkin has done for us is actually raised the question – how can we get the best possible deal in the very imperfect circumstances that we have, where many people will never tell the truth about the past, because of embarrassment, because of their own inability to cope with what they’ve done themselves.”
He said for Mr Larkin to put his proposal forward during the Haass talks was “very laudable“.

Sir Desmond Rea, who chaired the first Policing Board in 2001,agreed.
He advocated the idea of an amnesty a number of years ago.
Under the Belfast Agreement, the slate should be wiped clean. Our society and policing should look to the future.The release of prisoners under the Belfast Agreement should be extended, we argue, to an amnesty for all. There should be no more inquiries.Our concern as a society should be for the victims at their point of need“.

What are the benefits of this amnesty that isn’t an amnesty?
Moving on from the past, Political stability. Rational use of financial and other resources.The greater good of NI society
Who is set to gain most?
Loyalists and republicans and of course, the British state. It is already refusing to carry out any more inquiries, therefore supporting a de facto amnesty.The Catholic Church seems to agree, as did the Eames-Bradley Report. Bets on the rest will be finessed
Who is set to lose most?
Victims and survivors. They will be left without answers and wrongs will go without redress. They may be offered a Truth Commission but who knows how much “truth” that will uncover.

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