Catalonia Won Today!

Was I surprised at  Spanish State brutality in Catalonia today?

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Not really, having seen what happened for 30 years in Northern Ireland – the Ballymurphy Massacre, Bloody Sunday, The New Lodge Six, the Spinghill Massacre and the Mc Gurk’s Bar massacre- to mention just a few where UK state forces were involved. You can read all about them if you are interested on this site.


Catalans have expressed particular concern about the use of rubber bullets, which the Catalan police force are banned from using, and which left one person needing eye surgery yesterday.

As in Barcelona today, use of plastic  bullets or projectiles was not unknown in Northern Ireland

Children were killed.

Some by plastic bullets or projectiles or batons  as they are now called.

Some by real live ammunition.

Some by the Forces of the Crown  that is the British Army and the RUC, the then police force in Northern ireland.

And some by Loyalist paramilitaries

Italy saw   Italian police  brutality during the G8 summit in Genoa in 2001

(sorry the clip is mainly in Italian but some scenes are universal)


So I was not surprised – deeply saddened of course, at another example man’s inhumanity to man

Saddened  that the principles that underlie the EU are set aside once again by State brutality

Saddened the EU authorities have not reacted strongly to  condemn the Spanish State attack on citizens who only wanted to vote

Here are some pics to exemplify what went on in Catalonia today


Despite this or maybe because of it Catalans can today say “We have won” 


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PS There are a lot of other pictures and videos out there. You’ll find a good selection on

Spanish Police Attack Voters During Catalan Independence Referendum






10 thoughts on “Catalonia Won Today!

  1. Catalunya is culturally speaking very different from most of the region they speak Catalan and even at university I had to study in Catalan…although I could answer the questions in Spanish.It is not the first time that the Catalans try to get independent and with this action, the might achieve something.

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  2. indeed, Luca. It is not the first time the people of Catalonia have explored the potential of such a republic, but the fifth.

    On four previous occasions a Catalan republic has been proclaimed; in 1641, 1873, 1931 and 1934.

    We know that on the last occasion the republic was brutally put down by Franco’s fascist forces with the assistance of Hitler, Mussolini and, less overtly, of Britain and other western governments.


  3. Where do the Irish stand on all of this, particularly regarding the EU. I have been generally pro-EU on balance, but if they support Madrid or even just sit on their hands I shall be obliged to alter my opinion.


  4. Sinn Fein supporters and other “lefties” support Catalonia’s right to self-determination and unreservedly condemn the violence exerted by the Spanish state. On the whole I think the Irish people agree

    The Irish Government (Fine Gael, Conservative) toes the EU party line – no intervention into internal state matters etc.
    No comment about the Kingdom of Spain’s violence.
    Also because they don’t want to rock the boat which is sailing their way, Brexit-wise. See today’s ratification of the EU parliament’s motion about Northern ireland

    AFAIK the EU parliament is discussing the Spanish issue on Wednesday (tomorrow, Oct 4th).
    Let’s see what the outcome of the debate is.

    The King of Spain certainly made an appalling speech this evening.It was received badly in Catalonia but I don’t know about elsewhere in Spain. The same type of discourse may have worked for his father in 1981. It rings very hollow today.

    I do wonder whether the Spanish government’s hard line attitude is due to the fact that
    a) it was a question of republic vs monarchy on the ballot paper combined with the facts that
    b) Mr Rajoy is very right-wing and things might have been different with a less hard-line party heading up the Spanish government
    c) other Spanish regions might be interested in up-turning the late 1970s “Kingdom” settlement which was decided by Franco and the Spanish Royal family.

    Let’s not forget the Basques and the very socialist Andalusians and the Galicians are not particularly happy with the outworkings of the Kingdom and its austerity policies.

    What I would like some info on (but haven’t got) is the support other regions of Spain extend to Catalonia – maybe not for independence as such but as a forward movement towards a Spanish Republic.

    I think that’s what the King and the Spanish government might be most afraid of.


    • Hmm … complicated certainly.

      So the EU is backing a united Ireland all within the EU while Britain leaves? The way things are going the Northern Loyalist/Royalist/Fascists will feel quite at home there. Irony doesn’t begin to describe the situation! Also echos of WWII when the Irish were happy to tacitly assist the Axis Powers, anything to stick it to the Brits. Well as they say, “Be careful what you wish for!”


  5. “The way things are going the Northern Loyalist/Royalist/Fascists will feel quite at home there”
    I don’t know about that.
    The DUP are busy drawing up red (orange?) lines.
    The thing is – I don’t see how they can get round the Good Friday/Belfast Agreement which was lodged as an International Treaty at the UN.

    The EU Parliament debate on Catalonia didn’t end with a vote and the President spoke about “dialogue” etc

    AFAIK Catalonia is ready to declare independence – of Spain and the EU – maybe tomorrow.
    Monday at the latest
    Spain is said to be sending the Army in.
    Shaping up to be another defence of the Spanish Republic?
    History does reverberate!!!

    On a personal note -I was in contact with a Barcelona doctor today. The people seem stunned at what has happened with the repression – they just didn’t expect it. She was hoping the EU would help the Catalans. She must be feeling very disappointed by the EU parliament’s response this evening


    • Sorry Ben, I too was shocked by the mealy-mouthed response from the EU, and indeed Ireland. Shocked and angry and not especially logical. I really sympathise with the lady you refer to. She thought “it just couldn’t happen here” … and then it did! Hell’s bells, how is anyone supposed to react in such circumstances?


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