Post-Brexit – Bye-Bye UK?

With less than 3 weeks to go to the referendum the Brexiters seem to be winning.

According to whichever Poll-Masters you place your faith in, Brexiters  now stand on 43% vs 40% Remain,  48%  vs  43% Remain, 45% vs 41%, 43% vs 41% .

Still within the margin of error, still with all to win or lose.

The Mirror has already said more or less  all it wants to say on the topic.

One message  I will repeat –Brexit is an English issue

https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2016/02/14/the-english-question-faq/

All the arguments for and against Brexit are English arguments for dealing with English problems –

and Tory on Tory to boot.

Brexit has really nothing to do with the very diverse issues facing  minority populations in Scotland,Wales or Northern Ireland.

So what happens to us?

Let’s consider a couple of scenarios:
1) England votes Brexit? But Scotland, Wales and NI vote  Remain?

brexit polls

Remain and Leave in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, January-May 2016

The SNP has long stated that could trigger a second Independence referendum for Scotland.

Could it trigger a Poll on a Re-United Ireland, which is foreseen by the GFA/Belfast Agreement?

As far as Scotland and NI are concerned, with a Remain vote of 55+% the Scottish Parliament and the Stormont Assembly could well (and some might argue should) reject the Brexit result as not applying to them and call for separate negotiations with the EU.
A Scottish team would then negotiate the terms of Scotland to remain an EU member state if it votes for independence prior to the UK leaving the EU.
Teams from Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland would presumably link up to do likewise.

 

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As might Wales.
In other words, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland become the continuing state, inheriting the UK’s membership of the EU on the basis that we are currently members, meet all EU regulations and membership criteria and have democratically voted to stay a member in a nationwide referendum.
2) A slim majority in England votes Brexit? And Scotland, Wales and NI vote Remain, swinging the UK vote to Remain? Keeping England  in the EU against its will.
Enter onstage – a constitutional crisis.


Mr Carwyn Jones, Labour leader of the Welsh Assembly

The UK cannot possibly continue in its present form if England votes to leave and everyone else votes to stay

So same sort of scenario as above.
But this time England alone negotiates to leave. If it doesn’t, the UK as a country will become ungovernable.

On the other hand . . . . .

https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/brexit-no-ukexits/

Maybe it doesn’t matter what happens – no matter if the UK votes to remain in the EU- no matter if the UK votes for Brexit- no matter if Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland don’t – no matter what the people of Northern Ireland  or the Republic of Ireland want . . .

England will never allow  Scotland or Northern Ireland to hold  referendums on Independence from the UK. England will never allow Wales to precipitate a constitutional crisis.

always england

In support of what I’m hypothesizing, if there is a vote for Brexit:

1)An exit from the EU is actually not deliverable.

The EU referendum is merely advisory; it has no legal standing to force an exit.

Parliament is still sovereign.

2) An Act of Parliament is needed to revoke the European Communities Act 1972 (by which Britain joined the EEC ) or  a Bill enabling the Government to start  Leave negotiations.

Whatever is decided upon, a vote in Westminster will be required.

3)Pro-Remain Westminster MPs (454  vs 147 Brexit supporters) may use their Commons majority to keep Britain inside the EU single market  on the grounds that  a post-Brexit government could negotiate a limited free trade deal with the EU, which  would damage the UK’s economy.

So a Brexit vote  might well be defeated by the pro-remain MPs (Labour, some Conservatives, SNP etc)

Remember: 1) If the UK votes for Brexit, there is a 2-year gap for negotiating exit terms once Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union  is triggered.

2) During the two-year negotiation period, EU laws  still apply to the UK.

3) Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are EU members. We cannot be removed from EU membership as long as we are in the process of leaving the UK at the time the UK/England leaves the EU.

4) We do not know if Westminster will sanction a Brexit vote

Post-Brexit: It’s impossible to predict what the future of the UK might look like or even whether it will exist at all in its current form

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http://www.thenational.scot/comment/gordon-macintyre-kemp-out-of-the-uk-in-the-eu-confusing-times-ahead.18346
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-brexit-would-spark-constitutional-crisis-for-uk-warns-welsh-first-minister-carwyn-a6939786.html

https://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/brexit-polls-show-growing-support-for-uk-to-leave-the-eu-2016-06-06

The mechanics of leaving the EU – explaining Article 50

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120

http://centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/blog/england-could-be-forced-remain-ruk

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629775/

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5 thoughts on “Post-Brexit – Bye-Bye UK?

  1. If Scotland , Ireland and Wales , are in the EU , and England not , will there not be border controls between them , to prevent free movement of goods and people ?.

    If there are no border controls , so free trade and movement is continued , how will we know we are in the EU or out ?

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    • Thanks for commenting Papko and welcome to the site.
      In reply to your question “If Scotland , Ireland and Wales , are in the EU , and England not , will there not be border controls between them , to prevent free movement of goods and people ?”.
      I can only answer that will depend on the outcome of the referendum and ensuing negotiations with the EU. However in this scenario I can imagine no border on the island of ireland (given its historical and present situation), and borders between Wales and Scotland, with the latter appearing much more probable, given voting patterns.
      Except for ireland, how this would be accomplished and what it would entail is at the moment in the realm of speculation.
      But there would be no free movement of goods and people into England which is what England would want if it votes brexit.

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  2. I presume you are referring to the irish vote on the EU constitution?

    “The Irish referendum on the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe was a vote that was planned but did not occur. The referendum was expected to take place in 2005 or 2006 to decide whether Ireland should ratify the proposed EU Constitution. Following the rejection of the Constitution by voters in the French referendum of May 2005 and the Dutch referendum of June 2005, the planned Irish referendum was postponed indefinitely.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_European_Constitution_referendum

    Please let me know if you were thinking of something else and I’ll find out what I can.

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